Does Poland request immigration to survive? This was discussed in the "Right. Debate" program by Łukasz Warzech ("To Things"), Casper Kita ("New Deal"), Piotr Oliński (FOR Foundation) and Mateusz Benedict (Ludwik von Mises Foundation). The debate was led by Luke Karpiel.
The "Right Simple" channel on YouTube begins a series of debates on crucial topics for Poland. We start with immigration. This is undoubtedly a dragonfly problem that affects the lives of each of us. Do we request immigration? If so, for what? How can we deal with migrants or give them privileges? What rights do they have? Are immigrants, in fact, an added value in our society, or a problem generator?
There are many questions. besides those concerning the people of our country. As we know, the demographic collapse of Poland is progressing, and “outside people” are to be a fast remedy to this problem. What effects can this form of consequence have on the crisis, and is this the right way? Or would it be better for Poland if we were little – but it would be Poles?
These and many another questions were answered by excellent guests of Luke Karpiel. And all this on the "Right Straight" channel – on YouTube! The discussion “Will immigrants save Poland?” is the first to open a series of meetings as part of the task “Right Simple. Debate’. Only on the "Right Straight" channel.
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– Immigration is good or bad? – asked the debater Łukasz Karpiel, asking the participants for a synthetic outline of their positions.
According to Casper Kit, immigration is alternatively a negative phenomenon. – Of course, there are various cases, but fundamentally present we are facing a threat that in our territory we will have – and this already happens – in an uncontrollable way, settlement of hundreds of thousands of people, without asking Poles for their opinion, without a debate on this subject, without discussing the advantages and disadvantages of specified solutions. We just started to walk the way of Western Europe, where mass immigration, mostly non-European, but not only, has led citizens to lose their sense of being at home – he said.
Kita noted that in many Western European countries, indigenous people have already remained in minority, or are close to it. – We besides have negative consequences erstwhile it comes to the level of citizens' security, but besides the state budget. It always starts with convincing how this immigration will be beneficial to the economy, and long-term costs to individual countries. There are interest groups that request political and social rights. In the long term, therefore, there are no economical benefits, but we have serious social costs. – he added.
As he noted, it is increasingly hard in Western European countries for parties who represent the interests of the nation to come to power. This is due to the fact that immigrants and their descendants consistently vote for leftist-liberal parties.
Matthew Benedict pointed out that the assessment of immigration should be left to the spectators. But it is definitely worth paying attention to what Poland will be different from immigrants, even at a higher level than today.
“Poland, in which immigration will be halted, will rapidly depopulate, will become an older, the largest group of interests will be pensioners and pensioners. While this has been an crucial group of voters so far, their dominance will shortly become insurmountable. They will exert expanding force on the authors of economical growth. For no substance what they say about pensioners, they've already given their credit to the country. This force will origin us to make more slow and we will not catch up with the European or the global top in terms of income levels – he said.
According to Benedik, if we open ourselves to immigration, Poland will be a small younger, a small little depopulated. – There will be less villages and towns that will only be retirement clubs with a small public sector and will be a country that will grow faster and will have a chance to join the world's profitable top-level He summarized.
Mr Warzecha noted that the question of immigration so asked could not be answered without referring to “what kind of immigration”. Whether mass or very selected and from which directions.
– If I added specified a clarification to this question, it is surely harmful and unwanted to have uncontrolled mass immigration, that is, something like what we have seen in Poland in fresh years. We have information about the NIK study on how visas were granted under the Law and Justice. There are over 300 1000 visas from different directions, whether culturally or not, regardless of data on crime in a given group of immigrants. - He said.
Warczecha stressed that if we were talking about immigration very well selected, not mass, but consciously chosen by us, according to strict criteria of who it is – as Australia or Switzerland does, and wants to do Sweden now, then we are dealing with a different situation.
– To illustrate what kind of immigration we are talking about, I will remind you that the comparatively criminogenic group of immigrants in Poland are Georgians, and clearly there should be a dam for immigrants with Georgian passports. In turn, if we think that people are coming to Poland who are looking for a peaceful, more conservative country like Swedes, Danes, Germans, French, we have nothing against specified immigration He stressed.
According to Piotr Olinski, immigration is simply a social fact, having legal, economical consequences, and which will most likely stay with us, as according to Eurostat's prediction, in 2100 Poles will be only 29.5 million. ZUS estimates that in 2060 we will be 32.5 million, in 2080 – 28.5 million.
– In a word, the number of Poles will decrease, there will be more Poles older, receiving pensions, we will face an expanding shortage of hands to work, we are already facing it. This migration to Poland did not come out of nowhere. That's the demand. After dealing with the mass unemployment phenomenon, which we know from the early 2000s, the problem is becoming counterproductive. According to the 2023 barometer, we have 27 professions in deficit. This is simply a fact that the planet of politics, the planet of law will gotta face, it will gotta make any assumptions. He stressed.
As he pointed out, he may agree that migration policy in Poland has been mostly unthought-out, passed ad hoc And it lacked a coherent framework, which created quite a few absurdity in the system. According to Oliński, the time for a debate on immigration is good, due to the fact that according to the announcements of the rulers, the draft migration policy is pre-prepared, and discussions in the government on this issue are underway.
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