When a well-known writer talks to a well-known politician for the needs of the book, you can anticipate quite a few anecdotes, memories of political life and commentaries to modern times. It's no different in an interview. Thomas Lisa with Leszek Miller included in the book Prime Minister (TLW 2023).
Both interlocutors of the top times of public activity are over. Leszek Miller was in the PZPR, Parliament, he was Prime Minister, he is now in the Euro-Parliament and frequently on TVN. Tomasz Lis was a journalist, host of all crucial news programs, chief of Newsweek, and is now on Twitter and YouTube. And he started a release that released his interview with Miller.
The fox disappeared from major media, but inactive has a group of faithful fans. There is no uncertainty that Leszek Miller belongs to them, which can be easy read from the pages of the book. Gentlemen talk like old friends. They go chronologically through the life of the Prime Minister from childhood, through the beginnings of their career, to the culmination of this career until today, until the election of October 15. Anyone curious in politics will find any interesting stories here. Anyone who read any another interviews or listens to Miller's shows on tv will not be surprised.
Generally a book Prime Minister It's 2 guys talking with a large ego. The modern planet is so constructed that most frequently it is specified people that accomplish success, so it is no coincidence that specified people later appear in books, tell about the world.
I'm not going to summarize the book. But I decided to compose about her to remind you again what it is like to do politics, in a way that describes a planet that The fox erstwhile called “retro”And who to me is just a manifesto of grandfatherhood.
Sierakowska leg, Jakubowska breast
Both gentlemen seem to realize that times have changed, that something is ringing in any church, but they don't truly know which 1 and what it is. Lis says to Miller at the end of the conversation that the Prime Minister "was easier than it would be now, due to the fact that now the mash is completely out of fashion." To which Miller answers that he is now “sin and even crime”.
Machymism is not a crime, I don't callback any government that would specify it there. What is sin is decided by the hierarchy of the Church, but as far as I know, there is no macho sin on the list. I'm certain in many environments, machism is not fashionable. Is that why you decided that they wouldn't quit on this fashion and talk like a grandpa to a grandfather?
How does that work? I will quote a passage of the exchange of views about Isabella Sierakowska:
"Miller: Iza was our La Pasionara, only a prettier, of course elegant lady. I can hear her walking up the stairs in her heels.
Fox: I remember from the times of the Sejm that she had highly long and neat legs.
Miller: Yes. And on heels always. erstwhile she was tapping those heels... I met 3 generations of Sierakowskis due to the fact that I was at a gathering where her mother, her daughter and all...
The Fox: Super fit?
Miller: All of them. Mom, too. Anyway, what were we talking about due to the fact that we were dreaming...’.
It's 2 gentlemen's talk, but they're inactive talking publically about a public figure. individual erstwhile convinced me that grandfatherhood or sexism can be blameless by men due to the fact that they truly think they're right compliments and they mean well in general. I'm certain that happens. But Lis and Miller are well aware that the mash has gone out of fashion. Why are they talking like that?
Another passage. This time, Miller recalls how he was prone to feminists due to the fact that he said about Alexander Jakubowska that he “has a brave heart in a shapeless breast.” The Prime Minister explains that Jakubowska considered it a compliment, but feminists knew better. Then he adds that “a man should not tell a female that she has specified breasts...”. I do not know what Jakubowska thought about it, but I know that here is the Prime Minister of the Polish Government telling in the book about the breasts of a colleague from work. That sounds terrible. And no translations save the situation.
Gentlemen mention that in feminists Miller mostly had mediocre ratings. “We never hid each other’s dislike,” says Miller. - I'm talking to the feminists, they're talking to me. I thought that they were very frequently exaggerating simply," he adds. What Fox says: “Crazy”. Miller continues that feminists “are acting against themselves. But they most likely think the opposite...’.
One might conclude that Miller has been paid attention to sexist responses a fewer times. The fact that Tomasz Lis has besides heard from respective people that his behaviour and comments were sexist, we besides know well. So the translation that there were different times, and they didn't know it at all, in this case there's no point. They found out, they know, and yet they're on their way.
The country's got girls.
Miller recalls Berlusconi's visit to Poland. They went to the restaurant for dinner. “And we drink, we talk, and at any point he says, “Leszek, where are the girls? What girls? – Normal!” says Miller. “And I wonder, how can I find him girls now? I called the head of safety and I said: – Wiesław, see if there are any BOR girls here. If they are, tell them to take out all those guns and come in 5 minutes. The village comes and says there are three. – Fine – I say”.
You read this and you wipe your eyes, wondering if Prime Minister Miller is just telling Thomas Lis how he and Wiesie have given the staff of the BOR to Berlusconi? Yeah, you just read it.
Fortunately, Berlusconi had to fly right away, so women were fine. In the next words of the interview, does Miller apologize to the BOR staff that he even thought of calling them? Nothing like that.
In the boys' locker room
All these stories fit perfectly with the full book, which is just specified a boy-cut. possibly the cool kind of conversation is meant to be an asset of publication and to show that the gentlemen are sincere that they have good contact. Sometimes they throw their names at people who do not know the exact political past may say nothing.
Miller speaks well about most people. Only Kaczyński, his camp and Włodzimierz Czarzasty consistently talk as bad as possible. Aleksandra Kwasniewski is inactive called “Oluś”. They're inactive calling president Duda. And what is comic is that they do all this to at the same time be clever that “the contempt of the another side, the invectors, the sense of superiority” is something that favors Kaczyński. Well, in contempt and a sense of superiority, both of them can do well, so possibly they can think about what they tell and how they tell.
Although the main character of the book is Leszek Miller, Thomas Lis would not be himself if he did not take the chance to show himself on the worst side.
Two short quotes. Miller talks about the conversation with Tadeusz Mazowiecki during the time erstwhile the second formed the government.
“Miller: In conclusion, he says he has a problem with a government spokesman...
Fox: And you must have told him: must it be a long-legged blonde?”
What brings to the full conversation is the foolishly interjected opinion of Thomas Lisa? Nothing. But how much he talks about an interviewer.
In another place, gentlemen talk about women and gender:
“Miller: I am a proponent of the thesis that there are 2 sexes. Not a few.
Fox: So do I, but this is becoming little popular thesis.
Miller: I know. That's why I'm saying this. And I'm in favour of the thought that if you hit that another sex, you're gonna have more.
Fox: Last year I spent all night drinking with our striker, Tomasz Frankowski, at the athletics Champions Ball. He told me, by name, the stories of his colleagues. In general, it was banal, due to the fact that it came down to the fact that he met a good woman, and he went straight. And whoever got caught up with any smart-ass who wanted fast money, ended up on the ground.”
And so about the “babs” Lis and Miller are right without any sense of shame or reflection that honesty in conversations is cool, but does the only format of honest and open conversation should be talk from the men's locker room?
I read the book. Prime Minister, grabbing his head and reasoning about what's going on here (John Paul the gentlemen defend each moment, by the way). I'm calling the book. Prime Minister The manifesto of grandfatherhood is not due to the fact that here and there you will get any sexist comment or tell an anecdote in retro style. On the contrary, both callers play the grandfatherly note consistently and additionally support each another in the belief that it is simply a good note, specified an old-fashioned note, vintageAnd to me it's a note of a torn, uncool record.
I wrote above that Lis and Miller say that the masculinity is not fashionable, but it seems that they chose not to give in to trends. They're talking like grandparents to a grandpa against everything they think they already know. I don't know if that's how they want to defend their biography. Do they make themselves as steadfast as feminists can't?
If so, they will both miss the social changes that are taking place around them. Yet, the full conversation is to show how much they both are curious in the modern world. They will miss a part of this modern planet and so they do not know that it is no longer said about a female “grandmother”. And that's not even the biggest of their problems.
