MN president on the Bodnar invasion – interview
NN: How did today's Bodnar raid begin, what was the basis for the search?
Bartosz Malewski, president of the independency March Association: This morning, I learned from Matthew Marzoch, a associate of the board of SMN that the police had arrived at his home at 6 a.m. Matthew is just outside Warsaw due to the fact that he is at the economical Forum in Karpacz. In the following hours, however, I was summoned to the police office for questioning. I testified that Mateusz Marzoch was the sole holder of the keys to the office of the independency March Association due to the fact that this place was very curious in officers and prosecutors. After the hearing, I was informed that the D.A.'s decision would forcefully enter the Society's office today. We proposed that on Friday, on a voluntary basis, after Matthew's return to Warsaw, we would supply the documentation requested by the prosecution. The prosecutor, on the another hand, clearly preferred to execute a theatre, a political show.
I do not know precisely what the substance is, as far as I know, that it is about the events of the independency March, which took place in 2018. individual was expected to commit a crime in his time under Article 190 of the Criminal Code. These are criminal threats. I can't even imagine how individual would commit specified a crime during the March of Independence. Originally, the investigation was dismissed by the prosecution due to the fact that there were no signs of specified a crime, and no perpetrator was found. Today, this was resumed under Adam Bodnar.
Bodnar invasionNN: What does this gotta do with the invasion of Robert Bąkiewicz, erstwhile president of the independency March Association?
BM: For all I know, it's the same thing. Both Mateusz Marzoch and Robert Bąkiewicz were interviewed earlier in this case. After that key, police officers knocked on them first. In addition, Mateusz Marzoch is the head of the independency March Guard, and the police present asked for a list of people on the independency March Guard.
NN: How long have the police been there?
BM: Police officers were on site for 4 hours and were reviewing the Association's documentation at that time and were acquainted with electronic equipment that is in possession of SMN. Importantly, the office of the independency March Association besides have another entities, especially the Association of them. manufacture II, which is formally the owner of this premises, has ownership rights. no of these entities, especially the Association of them. manufacture II, were not informed by either the police or the prosecution of the planned and undertaken actions. The documentation of these entities was besides reviewed. In addition, the independency March Association is simply a national publisher.com, a diary registered in the log register, so here we are besides dealing with a press secret. After 4 hours, the operation was completed. At this point police officers are inactive present in front of the office of the association (at 5:30 p.m.), but this is due to the fact that there were journalists and sympathizers of the independency March Association all day before our headquarters. There is now a rather spontaneous manifestation of opposition to the actions of Adam Bodnar, Donald Tusk, to the actions of the government, which are directed at the March of Independence, and remember that there is small time left until 11 November. Each action of this kind clearly shows a desire for any surveillance of the association, penetration into documentation, to electronic means just before the next March of Independence.
NN: How did the officers behave?
BM: I have the impression that police officers were a small lost in these activities, in the face of the fact that there is besides documentation here that does not belong to the independency March Association. In addition, there are papers covered by press secrecy at SMN headquarters. This led to all of their activities being consulted by telephone with a prosecutor who did not have the courage to appear on the scene, although we demanded that police call the prosecutor to the scene. At 1 point, police began to prosecute this themselves due to the fact that they were convinced that the prosecutor should participate in these activities. The D.A. didn't show up.
NN: possibly he was afraid to show on tv that he'd get the incorrect press.
BM: That was my impression, due to the fact that as of 11 o'clock, journalists were gathering here with cameras and microphones. There were more and more of them all hour. A image of a prosecutor entering the office of the independency March Association would not be a fresh thing... There have been specified situations in the past erstwhile the prosecutor entered TVP, the National Judicial Council. possibly the prosecutor Bodnar He learned from the mistakes of his colleagues that it is better not to come here.
NN: It is known that the reason for the search is just a pretext. What do you think the real motivations are behind today's bodnarist action?
BM: Clearly, the prosecutor hoped that we were keeping a registry of convention participants, possibly a registry of convention guards, from the March of independency Guard. There's never been one, and there's never one. Besides, we have informed police officers that what they are looking for simply does not be and is not at the office of the independency March Association. Translations stay irrelevant for the activities carried out.
NN: possibly they thought you wanted to distract them. Were there any papers or equipment taken? Is it actual that the police took papers unrelated to the case under the pretext they came to search?
BM: papers were taken, including a binder described as ‘training materials’. It turned out that inside there were training materials on individual data protection and an English course for accountants. The prosecutor himself was very curious in this binder. It was adequate to describe this folder as ‘training materials’ so that the prosecutor would decide to safe this binder. It's a small grotesque that's what was taken. The fact that the prosecutor so described with the binder was most interested, proves something. possibly this confirms that it was not just what the prosecutor was officially looking for by presenting a resolution, but in fact he was looking for something else.
4 laptops belonging to the independency March Association and 1 telephone and 1 desktop computer not belonging to the independency March Association were besides taken. We reported it, but it was ignored, too.
NN: Or was it about any interior SMN instructions?
BM: Yeah, that's right! It was about the way things were going, the patterns of operation, the list of people involved. These are surveillance activities that violate the constitutional right of association.
NN: There has been serious abuse during this invasion. What steps does the independency March Association intend to take?
BM: In addition to the reservations made to the minutes, we will besides complain about the activities carried out. I will besides encourage another actors who are based together with the independency March Association to take their legal action and to join the proceedings.
NN: Has anyone been charged?
BM: Nope.
NN: Thank you for the interview.
BM: Thank you, too.
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