Right-President 2025, in the context of an equally unwanted debate
For a start...
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We Poles must remember that in six months we will be faced with the choice of the Head of our beloved, the brightest Republic. We do not accept the constant spread of hatred that breaks down our families and divides the national community. We stand defender against the centuries-old heritage of Poland – civilizational values and spiritual foundations – and reject actions that poison these values in the name of political interests.
We believe that the future of Poland requires our common responsibility, wise action and unity. Therefore, we invitation you to engage in efforts to heal public life, to overcome the barriers that hinder the improvement of our country, and to defend the values that unite us.
We trust that the first step on this way could be to consolidate independent environments and organisations whose aim is to appoint a joint candidate in the 2025 presidential election. Only through joint action and dialog can we make a future that will be based on peace, respect and actual freedom.
Support our citizens' initiative and let us take care of the future of our homeland together!
I'm sorry.
That's it, or that's it!
In the passage quoted, we read "We Poles... the future of Poland... we trust...support".
Support but support what!?
As a fellow Earthman published material on this initiative, traditionally there were voices that either nothing would change or individual would not let it to change, but there was small interest. In the context of faith, it is worth asking who would make these [what!?] changes.
Maybe we are looking for a savior of all, especially Poles, possibly even the full planet (because it was due to the communicative of respective candidates)!?
And isn't it that these changes can only be made by, no another way... by you, by that one, by you, who hide behind the pillar too.
The voices are right, but not that this is simply a time lost, but that no 1 among them will be elected as the future president if we proceed our attitude of inactivity and non-involvement. It's beautiful understandable to everyone.
However, what happened in the bulletways between the electors and participants of the gathering and the candidates, is time lost!? I don't think so.
It should be apparent to everyone that in order to elect a president, you gotta have the support of... average people.
These average people will not appear by themselves, they must be reached.
They get the current arrangement, why not individual else!?
However, the condition of reaching is anyone who wishes to reach.
If we look from this side, then yes, it was not time lost.
Coming back late at night, I was on the train. destiny made the conversation near.
Talk to Poles who live outside Poland.
I enjoyed listening to it.
How much hope, how much faith, how much anticipation that the present condition could change.
The speakers were older people.
My look at the initiative.
Candidates could appoint 3 of their own electors, that is, those who will vote by electing a candidate.
Which is curious, with 10 candidates there should be 30 electors, but there were 64 of them.
Who are the “excess” electors!?
What was their function in the primaries!?
Who were they representing!?
The rules of procedure ‘said’ that in order for the vote to be valid, at least 20 electors or their physical representatives must be present.
But what does “physical representative” mean!?
Does the individual who is to vote as the elector wishes, or as the typical thinks!?
The authorization should be clearly defined, the conviction of the elector, as it is not a representative.
This leaves a large margin, besides large for specified an crucial initiative (the objectives mentioned above).
So what was the point of the vote!?
It was adequate to send, and you could do it even online, your own voice, unfortunately you did not usage specified a simple solution, choosing the way of “cards and marking a candidate”. Even the voting procedure itself took about 1.5 to 2 hours. All you had to do was ask in the courtroom...
... dear electors, this candidate and this one, who is in favour!?
And I'd like to settle those votes.
The vote alone would take about 15 minutes.
It raises many doubts, besides many!
Especially how we will look for explanations of these "excess" electors, who do not know what and who they represented.
There were no electors reported by different environments, organisations, initiatives and more than 20, but it is not known whether they represented the elector properly, whether they expressed "own" or, more importantly, what was needed.
Candidates.
In the first round, no of the candidates scored 51%.
So the second round... and here's the surprise.
In view of the views presented, the answers to the questions emerged, bringing from the received applause, 2 candidates, 1 of them was Paweł Zieminski, the another Leszek Sykulski.
Mr. Romuald Tadeusz Starosielec became the yet elected presidential candidate.
Now you can watch what happens next.
You can besides look back and see what the selected candidate has done.
How many initiatives did he take, how many were successful, and how many of them were just “the rabbit chase”!?
I ask not in the context of his candidacy for future president, as we all know, he may not even collect the required number of signatures.
I ask in the context of the conversation that I joined on the train, I ask on behalf of people who trust that while they inactive can, they place in specified initiatives.
I ask what will happen to this "big pump" erstwhile the fresh president arrives.
Will the selected candidate be able to organize people around him who will cooperate, so that in any time, possibly even rather distant, this assurance and hope to live!?
If so, well, worse if not, due to the fact that then you gotta start all over again.
Mr. Leszek Sykulski.
The closest thing to him was to Paul Earth.
Unfortunately, he "wrote the number," namely, resigned, giving back the votes received...
... Mr. Starosielc, with whom he completely (because of what he said) differed in the perception of reality.
Let us remember this by listening to another "film" with this Lord, but not due to the fact that he left out Earth (it doesn't matter) and due to the fact that he had many another candidates with whom he was more along the way.
Was it not so (it my opinion) that everyone played their part, Mr. Starosielek was anointed, Sikulski noted the participation in another "party", both playing for the right goal, caused the remaining candidates, the others.
Isn't that how it was expected to be?
And only Earthling retained the attribute of a man and did what had to be done.
A minute later, in the Kuluaras, he received rather quite a few congratulations, even from those who did not support him, they did not really know him.
I would add that another and different candidates, given the achievements, noticed similarly, it is simply a pity that only in talks outside the forum.
Did Paul Earthly do the right thing!? possibly the following words will explain it.
Strangely disappearing electoral voices!?
Well, it's been 24 hours since yesterday to today.
I would celebrate, celebrating, announcing that it is.
And here's a curious silence!
Maybe it's not silence and shame!?
No sign of success or failure.
And the Voting Time...
58 votes cast. Mr. Starosielec scored 27, Mr.Sikulski as did Mr.Kuban 10.
2nd Voting Time... But only off the record. Off the record, due to the fact that the organizers themselves have any kind of problem to explain that... a liter turned into 3/4, though no 1 was around.
They say that the voices were spread like this: Mr. Old Age, 22, Mr. Kuban 19.
It gives us 41 votes, so 17 are missing.
What happened to them!?
Maybe they came to the same conclusions as the PZ and the electors, erstwhile they got to them, they left.
I wonder what happened to the 10 votes that Mr.Sikulski gave to the Lord of Starosielc.
The result, should be at least 37 + perhaps, at least 1 for Mr. Starosielc...
... unless someone's truly pissed off about the trade.
On Siculski... on Siculski, that he ‘sold’ his constituents to Starosielc.
For which they could be angry at Starosielc, realizing that the voters of Siculski did not care about ‘his marriage’, he had 27, so to speak, abruptly lost him 5.
The taste is added by the fact that a fewer ‘organizers’, let's agree... ‘represented’ respective electors, meaning ‘authorizations’... again unofficially... to vote, not for one, but for respective electors. It would be worth reading their opinions, who they actually authorized, but besides what they authorized.
It would not have turned out that they ‘did not authorize’.
And in the preliminaries of the candidates, it was that there never was a full number of electors as if they wanted to choose, but they did not have time to perceive to the candidate as well as to vote for him/or not. What is the intent of the “chosen ones chosen” as electors?
I'm told at the end, but only after all, which is why again unofficially... posts valid in the ‘future law firm’ have already been shared.
And the public's appeal that since specified a ‘important’ gathering had already taken place, the winning pool should communicate with the another candidates, he remained unemotional.
Well, I've known since 3 that there's been no specified test.
Their audiences (rewarding rich applause), beneficiaries of their ‘winners’.
Watch the end.
On the 1 hand, it is another wasted time of those who anticipate something else, they will be left with PO-PiS, on the another hand it is the beginning for those who inactive try. This, I believe, was the goal of our fellow Member, who joined the initiative rather late, not to be "some kind of president", and what will happen erstwhile the milk spills.
This experience has proved that it is time for actual presidential primaries at the will of the full nation.
I draw this conclusion from the experience of participating in this seemingly and in my opinion, manipulated initiative.
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watching@jon
... and 1 more remark at the very end of the ‘visa’, everyone expects people to be on this ‘independent side’...
For any time now, by no means, I have met a fewer people “of those known.” What are my observations!?
‘You will not kneel, do not come near’, it would seem that each of these people should find a minute to exchange a fewer sentences.
No, it's no different than gathering Tuski or another people, those people who want our voices, who don't want to talk to us, I've watched various ‘so-called independent television’, almost in d. p. p. enter, without shame, begging for an interview or a fewer words, all of these ‘extraordinarily crucial independent activists’. The case was different with, for example, Kuban, Dembinski, or Mrs. Lesniak, than with Starosielc or Syskulski. With the second to have a word, you must be ‘someone’, without being ‘someone’, you stay ‘a choice needed at the moment’, only a moment.
This reflection came to me due to the fact that it was not us, and they want something from us, wanting to, that they behave like the most crucial ones, being truly just the gatherers of our voices, to improve their own ‘unpopular’ popularity.
They're worthless to me, useless to me. They request to be sought, and they should be the opposite.
